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#0: 12-01-2010 @ 06:27:24 pm
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WednesdaySunday Night Game Night: Ionia vs Noxus (League of Legends) - Sun, Dec. 5, 2010


What: League of Legends 5v5 play based off the "Ionia vs Noxus" Story event

When: 10pm Eastern (9 central, 8 mountain, 7 pacific)


Summary


If you're in the dark as to what I'm talking about, in the League of Legends Lore, the nation of Ionia (Think Irelia, Master Yi, and the Ninjas) was subjugated by Noxus through some fairly seedy methods. The Ionians challenged the Noxians to a match for control of the province, and the Noxians won, with reports of foul play. Now that Irealia has joined the League, she has successfully petitioned for a Rematch between the nations for control of the contested provinces of Ionia. You can read the details about the event here (including participation, the 10 champions available to each side, and other details) which will be updated as time goes on.

The short is, I think it'd be sweet if we played a match (or a few matches) of our own representing this epic struggle before the official matches on Firday December 10th. Right now I'm worried about collecting interest: we can sort out things like balance, sides, etc once we know who all we have.

We require 10 people to pull off the event (5v5 match and all). So far we have the following recruited:
  1. Machvergil (me)
  2. Kitty-dono
  3. Lurial
  4. Renairen
  5. St00f
  6. Nayth0r
  7. Misharum Kittum
  8. Dominion
  9. MonkeyBizG
  10. (vacant)


So far it sounds like the best time might be Sunday, December 5th (Luri needs to play on the weekend, and Ren is busy until Sunday) in the evening after St00f's Orchestra Practice and our weekly D&D stuff. Watch this space for official time. Edit: IS 10pm EASTERN TOO LATE FOR PEOPLE OR IS THIS OKAY?

In terms of team balance, since we're kinda all over the place in terms of levels/experience at this point, I figured we'd try and balance teams out based on what factors we can, using Wins to adjust level value for experience and what not. As for sides, I figure we can either take a side so we can trash talk up to the match, or plan a team for each side so that victory doesn't always come to a side who we may think has the better champions than the other.

Teams


Ok, taking into stock our current recruits, here's what I know for the sake of team balance. Please feel free to weigh-in/correct things I might have wrong.
  • 4 players are level 30. 2 have over 100 wins (Renairen and Dominion). They should probably be on opposite teams. The other two (Machvergil and MonkeyBizG) are both within 20 wins of each other, so are probably a balance to each other.
  • 2 players are 20-29 (Misharum and Lurial). Luri reports to me that she got help from Ren and she is now level 20 with runes, but just level 20. Her wins count is probably bloated to. Going strictly by the numbers I should count her as a 20-something, but since she didn't earn that status herself I'm more prone to think of her as a teens level for the sake of this game.

    Misharum is so close to 30 I want to count him as such, but then again not actually being 30 does deprive him of a few runes and mastery points, specifically that last Quintescence, which can be a big deal. Still, unless he protests it, I'm going to count him as a 30.
  • We have 3 players in the 10-20 range with less than 20 wins (Kitty, St00f, Nayth0r). I'm going to count them as the same level for the sake of team balance.
  • We then have our last vacant slot, which sounds like it will be occupied by someone quite new to the game. For now I will assume a newbie will fill the slot, but there's also a chance Luri might grab one of her level 30 friends for this slot too, just FYI.


Based off this Information I'm apt to organize the teams such:

Team A: Renairen,Machvergil,Misharum,Kitty-Dono, (vacant)
[30, 30, 28, 15, ?? < - 30s should be able to carry ]
Team B: Dominion,MonkeyBizG,Luri,Nayth0r,St00f
[30, 30, 20, 16, 15? < - more well rounded ]

Alternative:

Team A:
Dominion, Machvergil,Kitty-Dono, Nayth0r, St00f
Team B:
Renairen, MonkeyBizG, Misharum, Luri, (vacant)

In the event the (vacant) is 30:
Team A:
Renairen, MonkeyBizG, Misharum, Luri, Nayth0r
Team B:
Dominion, Machvergil, (vacant), St00f, Kitty

My hope is we'll have time to do two to three rounds, giving us the option to adjust the teams should we find our estimations were way off. If I don't get any feedback before the event, we'll assume we'll go with the first suggested team setup.

Now, again, I'm in this for fun so I'd just as soon be fine with using the Random Team Generator to sort this shit out.

IF you are okay with these teams, then we can probably go ahead and pick which side is Ionia and which side is Noxus. Otherwise, we should probably at least 1 champ on each team that we'd be willing to play (and possibly learn) for the sake of the game. In what little conversation I've had with individuals on this here's what I know on that regard:

Defending for Ionia:
Ionia champs
  • Kitty mentioned she'd prefer to play Kennen
  • Machvergil will play anything, would prefer not to play Amumu.


Conquering for Noxus:
Noxus champs
  • Kitty mentioned she'd prefer to play Morgana
  • Machvergil will play anything but Shaco, because he still thinks clown-based champ is clown-based, and not The Joker, and ergo dumb. He also doesn't care for Singed, but whatever.
  • I think Luri said Katarina was the only champ on Noxus she has?


Please feel free to weigh in on champ choice, I will gladly update the above lists as we go.

Finally there's the matter of the game's actual set up. On the one hand, I kinda want to take advantage of the fact that custom games can be made in Draft Mode now to try that. On the other hand, I recognize that a number of people participating don't have the time before this happens to learn a stack of champs in case the one(s) they know anything about get banned. Unless we hear a strong vote against Draft Mode though, I'd still like to try it, though perhaps with kindness considerations to those with less free-time right now.

This post was edited by machvergil on December 3, 2010, 10:23 am


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#1: 12-01-2010 @ 07:03:40 pm
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I'll gladly participate.

On a speculation side of things, I bet that Shen and Vlad will be the banned champs from each side in the actual game.
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#2: 12-02-2010 @ 07:33:47 am
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Edit: Some of the content of this post has been moved up into the original post so that all event information can be commonly located.

Match Speculation


What's interesting is how all over the tier list this match is going to be.

Ionia:
Tier 1 champs: Ashe, Shen, Amumu
Tier 2 champs: Kennen, Udyr
Tier 3 champs: Irelia, Akali, Master Yi
Tier 4 champs: Ezreal, Soraka,
Hard-to-place: (none)

Noxus:
Tier 1 champs: Morgana, Miss Fortune,
Tier 2 champs: Vladamir, Kog'Maw, Rammus,
Tier 3 champs: Singed, Shaco, Sion,
Tier 4 champs: LeBlanc
Hard-to-place: Katarina

So based solely off of that, Ionia seems to have an advantage. Clearly however we cannot take this tier list alone into account, especially since some of those higher tier champs are used to being able to work champs that aren't available. Here's some other interesting points:

  • Ionia getting two Tier 1 tanks out of Shen and Amumu is a big ideal IMO. I love Rammus, he is solid no doubt, but Singed and Sion are meh. A smart Noxus team can focus on using Rammus as their tank and then layer on the DPS - provided Ionia doesn't ban Rammus as a preventative measure that is.
  • Ashe vs Miss Fortune is probably guaranteed in the actual match. We may see that particular fight settled once and for all.
  • Ionia has access to two REAL STRONG junglers with Master Yi and Udyr (Edit: Amumu is ALSO a good jungler, jeeze O_o). Ionia probably won't have an issue owning the jungles. Shaco, I hear, is a competent jungler, but I can't imagine he's as good as either of those two in that regard.
  • I find it interesting that each team only got 1 support champ. Given this, Noxus really lucked out scoring Morgana over Soraka. Granted, they're very different kinds of support champ, but given that Morgana can lend great CC, and AoE, and magic damage, WHILE being a powerful anti-CC/magic damage for Noxus, she's a bigger boon than Soraka IMO.
  • Of course, Noxus will probably need Black Shield real bad. Between Shen's taunts, Amumu's AoE stun, Udyr's stun, Ashe's arrow, and Kennen's stuns, CC favors Ionia. That's not to say that Noxus is a slouch w/ Sion's stun, Rammus's taunt, Shaco's fear, and Morgana's binding, but I think Ionia is going to have an easier time locking down an entire team.
  • Noxus makes up for this by being a bit stronger on the AoE side of things. Though Ionia has Amumu's stun, pretty much all of their damage dealers are really single-target nukers. Noxus has a stack of single target nukers who also have great AoE ults, like Katarina's Death Lotus and Vlad's Hemoplauge, and Morgana's Soul Shackles, and Miss Fortune's bullet time. IMO, Noxus is the more dangerous team once fed.
  • (Edit: updated to follow the event's special 1 band rule) As far as bans/picks go, if I was actually in the event, as Ionia I'd ban Rammus and as Noxus I'd ban Amumu. Banning Rammus would deny Noxus their best tank, forcing them to roll with Singed or Sion, if they even bother wit tanking. Banning Amumu takes away Ionia's big aoe CC. You still have to worry about Shen, but with Amumu out it should be easier to nuke the Ionian team without them responding.


So overall, I still think the match favors Ionia, but ultimately the match will hedge very heavily on the quality of players chosen. We all know that a well fed Vlad or Morgana can wreck nearly any team, and the same could be said for Akali.

This post was edited by machvergil on December 3, 2010, 10:22 am


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#3: 12-02-2010 @ 10:58:54 am
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Your theorycrafting is pretty sound except the teams only get to ban one champion from the other side. Unless I'm reading the info page on the contest wrong.
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#4: 12-02-2010 @ 11:56:36 am
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Your theorycrafting is pretty sound except the teams only get to ban one champion from the other side. Unless I'm reading the info page on the contest wrong.


It does say that. I missed that and was running off of normal 5v5 Draft Mode rules which is two bans per team and then alternating picks. Updated my previous post to reflect that.

This post was edited by machvergil on December 2, 2010, 4:48 pm


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#5: 12-02-2010 @ 08:37:36 pm
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Steph and I are in and Steph toda got Justin playing and he's now up to level 5. He might be interested, and might not be interested. I don't know. Anyway he's a possibility for a tenth player.

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#6: 12-03-2010 @ 08:43:15 am
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Steph and I are in and Steph toda got Justin playing and he's now up to level 5. He might be interested, and might not be interested. I don't know. Anyway he's a possibility for a tenth player.

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Eff-in' sweet. Keep me posted on this. I'd love to have some fresh blood for our tenth. How soon do you think you'll know on his attendance?

Lore Fill in


Okay, so just in case you haven't been following the Journal of Justice and want the reader's digest version, here's what's going on with the event.

The "League of Legends" is, in game, an organization that resolves issues between nations. In the setting, magic-empowered war has developed a risk involved with it akin to nuclear war in the the real world, so in order to prevent said wars, the nations of Valoran resolve their differences by contests within the league. Each nation chooses summoners (us the players) to represent them, and the summoners choose champions to right the battles for them. Not every match in the League is a serious issue between nations however; the league funds itself by magically broadcasting matches across valoran as a spectator sport. These matches make up most of the actual games we play.

Next week, for the first time in the game's history, the League is settling a matter of international significance, and as a result, we the players get to determine the result. Riot will choose 10 summoners (through an as of yet undisclosed method) to represent Ionia and Noxus. Those summoners will get to pick their champs from the available 10 for each side through a modified draft mode. The winners of the game not only get a skin, IP and RP, but also get to determine the in-lore fate of three provinces of Ionia. That's pretty slick if you ask me - it's rare in a competitive multiplayer game like this to have this much lore, let alone let it be shaped by player action.

What's the Issue?


Map of Valoran
Noxus is one of the two "super powers" of Valoran - a "might is right" nation who enjoys friendly ties with Zaun and a healthy mutual-hate rivalry with Demacia.

In events before the game's release, Noxus invaded Ionia, a small island nation off the western coast of Valoran. Many now-champions came to the island's defense, like Irealia and Master Yi, but in the end Noxus was victorious and they set up puppet governments in many parts of the nation.

The people of Ionia were furious, and turned to the League to aid them. The League set up a match and once again, Noxus was victorious, giving legitimacy to their invasion. Rumor circulates of foul play regarding the match, but what exactly was done isn't specified.

All that happened before "Season One" started. Starting in October, An Ionian Monk lit himself on fire in protest of the Noxian Occupation of the Ionian Provinces. This outcry lead to Irelia calling for a rematch with Noxus over the issue two weeks later. The League's previous judgement allowed for a 15 year occupation, and Irelia's contingent argued that this duration was too long. While initially Noxian officials stated that it only be fair to allow the remaining 8 years of their occupation to continue, eventually they decided they would not back down from a challenge, and welcomed a rematch with Ionia. Now, on December 10th, that match is happening.

Lore - the Teams


So now we know why the fight is happening, now the question is, who is fighting. You've already seen the champion lists above, and some are obvious but others aren't. Let's run down who is here and why.

Ionia vs Noxus poster
The poster girls
The hype for this match shows Irelia and Katarina in the fore-front. The question is, why these two?

Irelia is captain of the Ionia guard, having earned that rank after almost dying defending the nation during Noxus' invasion. She was almost struck down by Noxus magic, and was saved by Soraka's healing. Her personal experience in the battle against Noxus and her seemingly uncrushable will make her an ideal candidate to lead Ionia's battle.

Kataraina is the daughter of Noxian General Du Couteau and has on many occasions in the Journal of Jusice spoken on her country's behalf. Her being born practically Noxian mobility and her strong favor with Noxus high command makes her an ideal candidate to lead Noxus into battle.

The rest of Ionia

Akali, Kennen, and Shen, or the ninjas as we like to call them, are all members of an ancient order originating in the Ionian Isles dedicated to the preservation of balance. It is only fitting that they would come to their nation's aid in such a critical issue.

Master Yi and Soraka are both citizens of Ionia who fought to save their country from the Noxian invasion and, through their rage at the country, became the champions they are today. Yi channeled his hate into the secret art of Wuji, and Soraka's rage at Warwick specifically caused her to fall from grace, taking on her current form. Udyr is also an Ionian citizen who practices a forgotten technique handed down by Ionian masters.

Ashe and Ezreal are not Ionians, but have a documented dislike for the Noxians. Ashe's new husband, Trynadmere, leads a barbarian people that had been pursued by Noxus for years. Had she not secured her land's place as a City-state, Noxus may have attempted the same secret invasion of the Freljord that they did to Ionia. Ezreal - well all we know is his joke is "Noxians .... I hate those guys." I assume that the Noxians are to Ezeral what the Nazis were to Indiana Jones.

Amumu is the one champ on Ionia that doesn't have any lore baring. My best guess is that his quote in his lore is from Ezreal, so perhaps the two have a friendship that would cause Amumu to want to fight alongside Ezreal?

The rest of Noxus

Vladamir, Singed, LeBlanc, and Sion are all Noxian citizens or soldiers. Singed is from Zaun, but he is the chosen apprentice to Warwick, who, in his days before being a werewolf, was a Zaun chemist in the service of Noxus during the Ionian invasion. Singed helps Warwick continue such work. Sion was once a powerful Noxian warrior in the wars against Demacia, and though Demacia killed him, Katarina personally undertook a mission to retrieve his remains, in a mission that would be her first encounter with Garen. Sion was then resurrected, and now serves as a powerful champion in the League representing Noxus. Vladamir is a Noxian citizen who, as a boy, fled from murders he committed in search of power, and found it. Now he says he uses that power for Noxus, but really, he's out to murder because he enjoys it. Leblanc is a member of a secret society that lost favor in Noxus when the military took over. It is believed she is attempting to orchestrate a rise of her order in Noxus, and as such, still has the might of the city-state at the core of her goals.

Morgana, according to this issue of the journal of justice maintains a bakery in Noxus in her spare time. This technically makes her a resident and therefore a valid contender for the match. Strange when a joke skin actually lends itself to lore though huh?

Shaco and Miss Fortune are both for hire. It's easy to assume that Noxus paid each whatever their price would be to take part in the conflict. Shaco is too shrouded in mystery to know if he has any more involvement than that, while Miss Fortune is just a bounty hunter, what more do you want?

Rammus and Kog'Maw are the odd ones out. Frankly, I can't see why these two are fighting for Noxus. Rammus is a mutant animal gaining intelligence, and Kog'Maw is a ravenous creature from the Void. Neither should have any care in the conflicts of city states, nor really for Noxian coin. The only thing I have on Kog'Maw is that Riot Games might be paying respect to the person posing as Katarina on twitter who has taken Kog'Maw as a pet of sorts, and doesn't mind taking it to Ionia for "Take out."

Strange Omissions

While I understand Noxus protesting their involvement, it is odd to me that Demacia, despite their prince being so outspoken against Noxus' invasion of Ionia, wouldn't manage to get one of their champs to fight for Ionia. I mean, Galio would make more sense in the Ionian line up than Amumu at least for that reason alone.

Warwick not being present for Noxus when Singed is also doesn't make much sense. It makes even less sense when you consider that Noxus lacks a good jungler at the moment, unless I guess you count jungle Rammus.

It also doesn't make sense why Swain an ACTUAL general and tactician for Noxus, wouldn't be in the line up. Technically, if Riot didn't give a care for tier lists, they could have dropped both Rammus and Kog'Maw for Swain and Warwick and given Noxus a much more lore-wise viable team. Very confusing why they didn't do that.

This post was edited by machvergil on December 3, 2010, 11:44 am


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#7: 12-03-2010 @ 09:27:43 pm
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I own Amumu on Ionia, and Morgana and Ramus on Noxus. I've got enough IP to buy a couple champs that cost less than 2k as well. I know Ash and Yi are cheap to boot, so picking them up is easy as pie.

EDIT: Just bought LeBlanc since only Ren had her.

This post was edited by Misharum Kittum on December 4, 2010, 9:28 pm


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#8: 12-03-2010 @ 09:31:08 pm
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I own every champ on Ionia except Kennen and Udyr.

I own every champ on Noxus except Kog'Maw and LeBlanc. I still refuse to play Shaco.

This post was edited by machvergil on December 4, 2010, 2:30 pm


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#9: 12-03-2010 @ 09:31:19 pm
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I have the following!

Ionia = Amumu, Ashe, Master Yi, Soraka, Irelia (free)

Noxus = Katarina, Morgana, Rammus, Shaco, Singed, Sion

This post was edited by St00f on December 5, 2010, 4:02 am


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