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#10: 10-15-2014 @ 06:43:10 am
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Boo, bought Pandaland last month.


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#11: 10-15-2014 @ 06:49:04 am
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See I've been operating under the assumption that if I wanted to "try" a new expansion, I'd have to buy the ones I've missed first.  Like, hypothetically if I wanted to play today, I'd need to buy Cata & Mists.  I can understand Blizz wrapping Cata into things since destroyed Azeroth is just the world at this point. I wouldn't see that level of requirement from Mists though.  So when I first heard this news and saw the articles I was like "huh that's new" and then read them and was "oh, I guess it isn't?"

The way I read that was "If you were to buy World of Warcraft new today you'd get through Mists with it."  I didn't read that as someone with a standing account that never bought the expansions would.


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#12: 10-15-2014 @ 07:16:21 am
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The way I read that was "If you were to buy World of Warcraft new today you'd get through Mists with it."  I didn't read that as someone with a standing account that never bought the expansions would.

I went and logged into my account to take a look and I my status was all the way up to Pandaria. I had only purchased Cata previously.

This post was edited by Dominion on October 15, 2014, 9:17 am


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#13: 10-15-2014 @ 07:53:54 am
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Huh.  You're right, my account does read "Mists of Pandaria" now.  That's good to know... I guess...


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#14: 04-07-2015 @ 08:36:07 am
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WoW Tokens are coming out today. 30,000 gold for 30 days at the current moment, set by Blizzard and is monitored and changed by them. The video linked mentions that if you're subscription is expired you can still log in and buy one by taking the gold evenly from your characters on the realm you're logged into.

I need to ask Shieke but 30,000 gold doesn't sound like a lot for today's normal gold income. I'm sure those people who do nothing but play the Auction House will be playing for free from now on. I have no idea how much gold my characters have but am kinda curious to see if I could purchase one.

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#15: 04-07-2015 @ 08:39:40 am
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I told Kitty this yesterday and she actually spent some time researching the current state of the WoW economy.  Her search revealed that at present there really isn't anything to spend money on so players are hording it and it's not entering, or leaving, the economy.

30,000 sounds like a huge number to me but I haven't played in years so with "MUDflation" I can see how that'd just get worse over time and believe this rate.

I just think it's good that WoW finally get with the times and offer up something like FLEX and CREDD.  Not that I ultimately care because I can't see myself playing the game again.


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#16: 04-11-2016 @ 07:10:35 am
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JonTron rants about Blizzard shutting down a private server and the current state of Blizzard, World of Warcraft.  It's pretty informal and full of jokes, but I dunno maybe he has a few points?


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#17: 04-11-2016 @ 11:49:33 am
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I think I still more agree with the Blizz dev. Vanilla WoW was wonderful in how it revamped some stupidities of MMO design however it still had a lot of issues that I think show compared against modern MMO's. However, from this private server it does seem like there is a large desire for such a thing even with all these issues. Only reason I think what the Blizz dev said was honest is because I wonder how many people say they'd want to play vanilla WoW, signed up with this thing, played for a few days and left because "oh yeah, vanilla WoW with all these issues."

Now of course I still agree with Jon and these players who want to do vanilla WoW. I do wish there was some way we can preserve these MMO's at certain points in time because, yeah, there's no way to do it legally and that kinda sucks. I certainly would never want to go through vanilla WoW grind but I can respect others desire to get that experience again and you can't do it. MMO's suck in that they are controlled by the dev and when MMO's die or they stay around long enough like WoW with expansion upon expansion, the original game does die and you can't play it anymore without resorting to legally grey options.

It'd be nice if there's a solution to this but I dunno what it is. Even if Blizzard gave the okay and gave out officially sanctioned vanilla servers, they'd have to help support it and having people support old versions of software, especially something like an MMO, would get really annoying. Yes people are doing it for free now but if Blizz did it people would have higher expectations since it'd be an official developer that is gaining money from it.


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#18: 04-12-2016 @ 10:10:23 am
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I think I shared this because I'm coming around a bit on this topic. 

Years upon years ago when I still played WoW, I used to think vanillia purists were crazy.  I mean sure, the WoW I fell in love with, the chaotic Open World PvP insanity that was the PAA and its horde rivals, was destroyed by Burning Crusade.  Arena killed our Friday Night BGs and flying mounts killed the Open World PvP.  Even back then though I had this much more keen sense of "yeah but they also fixed all this other stuff and why would we go back?"

The thing is now it's been a lot more years.  Cataclysm fundamentally altered WoW forever and part of the reason Kitty and I never played it again was because we understood that Cata made it so we could never go home again.  If we went back now, we would not recognize the place.  The Darkshore we have hundreds of fond n00b memories of is gone.  The Southshore we used to fight the horde over is gone.    Even if nostolgia pushed me to want to explore Azeroth again, it would be some new, alien, unrecognizable Azeroth.

I think where I am agreeing with Jontron is on two points:

  1. I do think now, after Cata, after Pandara, after Warlords, with sub numbers never hitting Wraith's levels and certainly not sustaining that high, it DOES come off as arrogant for Blizzard to just dismiss the idea that maybe players would like to play something that looks and feels more like vanilla, even if it wasn't exactly vanilla.
  2. I think his point about if someone wanted to play a classic video game as they recall it is something we do not have with MMOs, and especially don't if they keep shutting down private severs.  I DO think that it is 100% Blizzard's legal right as copyright holder to Warcraft the IP and World of Warcraft the software to shut them down, but it would be nice if they at least acknowledged that these damn things exist because there's a demand for WoW as it was.  God knows Wildstar sold a million off the promise of being more like that.  It ultimately failed, but that's why so many people were interested in it at first.

It'd be nice that if I did ever feel like I wanted to revisit that nostalgia, I could.  As it stands the way Blizzard has run WoW, I most certainly cannot.


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#19: 04-13-2016 @ 09:55:22 am
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I sympathize with the nostalgia, and to some extent I agree that Cataclysm was /too much/, but versioning up is a natural part of game development and definitively obsoleting old versions is a very important part of maintaining a unified online community.

Minecraft is a totally different game than it was in beta; League of Legends has changed its balance dozens of times, resulting in entirely new meta; legions of Dawn of War fans play the original over Soulstorm because the new races aren't worth the baseline alterations to the core formula.

Look at Feed The Beast or Tekkit -- these are huge, successful Minecraft playerbases that are playing a version of Minecraft between two and three years old.  Their modders don't even care about version release anymore -- they are their own game.  There are dozens if not hundreds of smaller, even single-server communities playing their own esoteric, heavily-modded version of the game.

If you are looking for a specific Minecraft experience, it is certainly out there somewhere, but it is also very difficult to find.  Mojang/Microsoft can afford this scenario because they're not charging for server access or new versions of the software.  When any person plays any version of Minecraft, they only gain in PR.  But Blizzard has to avoid it like the plague.  

If Blizzard allows private vanilla servers, they are losing subscribers, and if they run their own vanilla servers, they are reducing population on their main servers, which reduces the value of their game experience.  There could be dozens of flavors of World of Warcraft desired by players, each of which would siphon players away from their core experience.  It's a nightmare for a cash cow brand that relies on subscription fees and expansion sales.

So the question here really isn't, "Should Blizzard permit private servers?"  The answer to that is a resounding no.  A better question is, "Should Blizzard still be charging these prices -- or at all -- for a 12-year-old game that has gone through the expected 12 years of versions?"  Can any game really weather the elements for that long?


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