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#0: 01-10-2015 @ 10:01:17 pm
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Vergil and I have spoken about this on a couple of occasions, and I thought he and others might be interested in the exact quote, particularly in the wake of last month's glorious trollfest.

Brand control for Final Fantasy VII is difficult. At the moment, we aren’t making Final Fantasy titles that exceed Final Fantasy VII. Given that circumstance, to make a remake of Final Fantasy VII now would mean the end for Final Fantasy. I think Final Fantasy VII’s remake will have to wait until we make a Final Fantasy that exceeds Final Fantasy VII.”

--Yoichi Wada, President, Square Enix, at a 2012 shareholders meeting

Source: http://gematsu.com/2012/06/wada-final-fantasy-vii-remake-after-original-is-topped


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#1: 01-11-2015 @ 09:03:28 pm
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That is actually very brand savvy of SquareEnix to realize and overall a smart move.  Color me impressed. 


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#2: 01-11-2015 @ 11:12:20 pm
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What concerns me more than anything else is that Square Enix thinks FF7 is the best Final Fantasy they've made.


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#3: 01-12-2015 @ 12:12:02 am
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What concerns me more than anything else is that Square Enix thinks FF7 is the best Final Fantasy they've made.

For the love for fuck, yes! This! I was ridiculously disappointed in FF7. It was okay and I had fun playing most of it, but at some point the plot just stopped making sense, and all the hype (both in game and especially out of game) around Sephiroth completely failed to live up to him when you actually get to fight him. He was tedious, not difficult or challenging. Chrono Trigger is a better game by FAR.


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#4: 01-12-2015 @ 12:39:21 am
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This is obviously personal opinion, but I put the list together last night while I was thinking about this thread and FF7 isn't even in my top two-thirds of numbered FF games.

4, 6, 9, 12, 5, 3, 10, 7, 1*, 8, 2

*I thought about this long and hard, and yes, I would rather deal with FF1's one-item-at-a-time shops and endless grinding than Squall.

FF7 was groundbreaking, no doubt, but the trouble with being a trailblazer is that you spend a lot of time tangled in the underbrush. 


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#5: 01-12-2015 @ 03:04:18 pm
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What concerns me more than anything else is that Square Enix thinks FF7 is the best Final Fantasy they've made.

I don't think that's what they're saying at all.

Brand control for Final Fantasy VII is difficult. At the moment, we aren’t making Final Fantasy titles that exceed Final Fantasy VII. Given that circumstance, to make a remake of Final Fantasy VII now would mean the end for Final Fantasy. I think Final Fantasy VII’s remake will have to wait until we make a Final Fantasy that exceeds Final Fantasy VII.”

Note what I just bolded.  I don't think they're saying they think FF7 is the best FF they've made at all.  I think they are saying they recognize that Final Fantasy 7 is the strongest Final Fantasy brand they've made thus far, and this, from where I sit, is demonstrably true.  Only FF7 has had stand alone movies and as many stand-alone spin-offs as any other FF games.  FF7 characters have had more cameo's in non-FF games than any other FF to date. From a raw marketability standpoint no other title in the franchise stands as strong as it, whether we think it's the best game, story, art, music, etc, or not.

Speaking for myself personally, Final Fantasy VI is still my favorite in the franchise, but I can't think of a Final Fantasy character I have as much affection for as Tifa Lockheart.  What is scary to me is that I can't even tell you why anymore.  I haven't played FF7 in so many years and I've never had enough desire to replay it to see if my nostalgia holds up.  Using just logic my brain tells me I should be able to point to a ton of better characters than her - Zidaine, Terra, Celes, Locke, Edgar, Sabin, to name a few - but Tifa is probably my favorite character from the franchise and I always get irk'd when they throw a FF7 tie-in to something and only Cloud & Sepheroth show up. I once had a similar affection for Aya Brea from Parasite Eve, though that has cooled significantly with time.

That said, Chrono Trigger > the entire Final Fantasy franchise for me personally. 

Anyway point is I can see how if nothing else to ever bear the Final Fantasy brand since 7 has had the cultural impact internationally as much as that game, Square would be nervous about remaking it.  It would be in some ways admitting defeat that they apex'd in the 90s.

This post was edited by machvergil on January 12, 2015, 6:12 pm


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#6: 01-13-2015 @ 02:05:18 pm
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I don't think they're saying they think FF7 is the best FF they've made at all.  I think they are saying they recognize that Final Fantasy 7 is the strongest Final Fantasy brand they've made thus far, and this, from where I sit, is demonstrably true.

You are probably right, Vergil, but that is definitely not what the quote says.  It is likely, however, that meaning was lost in the translation.

Speaking for myself personally, Final Fantasy VI is still my favorite in the franchise, but I can't think of a Final Fantasy character I have as much affection for as Tifa Lockheart.  What is scary to me is that I can't even tell you why anymore.

 

Well, of course you can't -- you're a married man now.

You dog.  ;D

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#7: 01-13-2015 @ 02:48:38 pm
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Well, of course you can't -- you're a married man now.

You dog.  ;D

You're not wrong. If you were to ask me of the Final Fantasy characters I thought was hottest she'd be at the top of my list.  However, I remember playing the game I also came to like her a lot because:

  1. She is a martial artist (as was I at the time)
  2. This means she is brave enough to fight robots, monsters, world ending creatures with her fists and feet, while all the other so-called bad-asses in the game use giant swords, guns for arms, or pole-arms.
  3. At the same time she shows compassion time and time again, especially when Cloud gets messed up by Mako poisoning.

So by my memory she is not a damsel in distress, nor an emotionless toolbox either.  This made her a memorable character I got attached to over the course of playing the game.  Now it's been... shit... over 15 years since the last time I played FF7 so I have no idea if any of what I said holds up or if that's just my memory.

Anyway I just felt the need to take a moment and explain my position least you think said position started and ended with "dem tits tho"

 

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#8: 12-07-2015 @ 09:27:55 am
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Okay so thread necro because remake is actually happening.

This was announced at E3 2015 as part of the Sony press conference (attached below).

This is of course after the discussion we had on this thread about why Square wasn't going to do an FF7 remake.

For a long time we didn't hear anything leaving us to speculate if we'd actually get an HD remake of the original FF7, or some sort of Frankenstein version that more resembled the psudeo-action-RPG that FF13:Lightning Returns was and FF15 will be.

Well a gameplay trailer was released (attached below), along with the news that the game would be released in installments.

And with each new piece of info my interest sinks.  I'm a lot less interested in playing a 3rd person action game where you play through the events of FF7 as only Cloud Strife than getting an HD rework of the original game.

Anyone else think this is dead before delivery?

I mean if I trusted SquareEnix to do a Revengence/Bayonetta/Devil May Cry style combat system well I'd feel differently about this... but based on what I've seen of FF15, I don't trust them to do that.

EDIT: Friend of mine said these details came translated from Famitsu:

Final Fantasy VII Remake’s key developers in Yoshinori Kitase and Tetsuya Nomura recently shared plenty of details during an interview with Famitsu. Here are some highlights from their conversation.


    •    The official title is Final Fantasy VII Remake. Square Enix thought about adding some kind of subtitle that is related to the game’s story, but they decided not to, since they didn’t want to give the wrong idea of it being some kind of “Legends” or a sequel-type game. They thought of different ideas, but in the end, they figured that having “Remake” in the official title would make it easiest to understand.

    •    Final Fantasy VII Remake will be done in multiple parts, rather than a single entry. The reason for this is because doing a full remake of Final Fantasy VII using today’s technology would be a lot of work. Kitase felt that having the “voluminous” feeling you get from Final Fantasy VII wouldn’t be able to work with just a single title for an HD remake.

    •    Nomura also commented on the subject saying that they would also have to make a lot of cuts if they decided to make it all under one title, and they would have no choice but to make it into a Final Fantasy VII “digest,” and they felt that it would be pointless to do a full remake if they were going to do just that.

    •    For example, you’ll get to explore various parts of Midgar that you weren’t able to in the original version; however, in order to do that, it would need to be pretty dense. Of course, that also means that some parts will be cut from the game, but overall they’re adding much more to it.

    •    As far as models go, Visual Works director is taking care of it, but they’re also getting a lot of help from external sources. Roberto Ferrari, the Italian designer for Square Enix, is focusing his work on sub-characters like Biggs and the others that we saw in the recent trailer. Additionally, Square Enix will get help for roles such as programmers, planners, and other core members from external companies.

    •    Some of the other companies that will be helping include CyberConnect2, who’ve also helped in the development of Final Fantasy VII: G-Bike.

    •    Kitase says that CyberConnect2 have experience and great knowhow in action games, and he feels that they have a special sense for cinematics; however, since their production “taste” is different from that of Square Enix’s, along with some complaints from Nomura, they decided to make the latest trailer closer to their own style.

    •    The characters we saw in the recent trailer looked very close to actual humans, and Nomura says that it’s their current goal to make it as realistic as possible.

    •    Square Enix is not using models from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, as it’s something from over 10 years ago, meaning that its technology is too old, and that it looks a bit too “deformed” when they look at it now. For the remake’s visuals, they’ve done numerous adjustments and balances between realistic and deformed parts of eyes, nose, hair, and other parts. They were finally able to settle on something they all liked.
    •    Everything that was shown in the latest trailer is from in-game footage, and not pre-rendered material. After the camera goes close up on Cloud when he’s on the train, it’ll throw you right into the game. Nomura says that as far as quality goes, they’re still brushing up on it, and they’re only going to keep making it look better from here.

    •    Famitsu mentions that Cloud looks a bit thin in the video, but Nomura says that it’s likely due to lighting, and also because of his pale skin.

    •    Next, they ask if that means we’ll get to see Cloud in his cross-dressing appearance. Nomura responds with a laugh saying yes, the cross-dressing scene is in the game, but they haven’t done the design for it yet.

    •    Square Enix was originally going to go with Barret’s Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children design, but they decided on going with a new design from scratch. Nomura says that they’ve wanted to make all the party members revamped from the beginning.

    •    When asked whether the battle system will be closer to Kingdom Hearts or Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Nomura says “if anything, it’s action,” and it’s completely different from Crisis Core. It might not be as much of an action title as say Dissidia Final Fantasy on arcade or the Kingdom Hearts series, but it leans more towards there.

    •    There is an ATB gauge, but it won’t be like the original version where you get to attack when the gauge fills up, but an action-based system that can only be done through the Final Fantasy VII Remake. Kitase says that they may even change the name to something else other than ATB. Nomura also teases that the part you’ll want to pay attention to is how “the ATB gauge may also turn red.”

    •    Parties will consist of three members, and you’ll get to freely switch between the characters, but it won’t be a requirement, as you can stay as the same character for the entire time.

    •    As far as the battle tempo goes, Nomura wants to make it close to that of Dissidia Final Fantasy on arcade. He says that what we saw in the trailer is simply the base of Final Fantasy VII Remake’s battle system, and that he’s currently thinking of some kind of original structure for the battle system that adds a strategic element, in the midst of being able to switch through characters, an action that involves more than simply hitting enemies.

This post was edited by machvergil on December 7, 2015, 3:29 pm


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#9: 12-07-2015 @ 02:07:52 pm
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Actually I'm a bit more interested in the game if they deliver an action oriented gameplay rather than turn based combat. From your additional notes it also sounds like we will not be stuck as Cloud if you don't want which makes things more interesting.

Other thing of note, the gameplay trailer says "Play it first on PS4". So is it coming to other systems? Xbone? PC? Maybe with Cloud coming to Smash it'd end up on the NX console (though super late at that point)?

Granted, I'm still not at any real hype levels for the game. I certainly don't have a PS4 to play it on or Xbone if they go there. Shieke would be far more interested in the game and if it ends up coming to PC somehow maybe then she'd pick it up and I wouldn't mind watching from there. FF7 doesn't have the big nostalgia factor for me that others have for it.


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