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MMO Discussion - 2006/04/24 14:45 Please post here if you have gameplay related discussion about any MMO games, as opposed to the old topic which is locked.
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Re:MMO Discussion - 2006/04/24 14:48 World of Warcraft is a better game than Guild Wars.

Incidentally, Steve's karma has received a furious battering because I know what camp he's in.

I am fond of cheese.
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Re:MMO Discussion - 2006/04/25 11:36 Glad to know we can apparently handle this subject like mature adults.

"You don't like my game, so there's no POSSIBLE way I can associate myself with YOU."

Objective opinion all around. And we have invited you to play with us Verg. You always turned us down.

Post edited by: St00fy, at: 2006/04/25 15:53
You’re what keeps me believing this world’s not gone dead
Strength in my bones put the words in my head
When they pour out to paper, it's all for you.
'Cause that’s what you do.
That's what you do.
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Re:MMO Discussion - 2006/04/25 13:14 You don't like my game, so there's no POSSIBLE way I can associate myself with YOU.
This kinda points out the real problem here, and it involves reading comprehension because that's not what Vergil's been saying at all.

I've got nothing invested in this situation, I've made it perfectly clear to Vergil that if he chooses not to play WoW anymore that I would respect his decision. I bring that up because I think you all are quasi pissed/jealous/whatever that Vergil is choosing to play Game A as opposed to playing Game B. And instead of going about this in any productive manner it's devolving into a petty rant about what makes Game A better than Game B.

This whole thing is stupid cause you're not going to change some one's opinion by going about it this way and it's not even the point.

An example:
Vergil has made several attempts to get me interested in 40K. Even though my interest is there, it's not a priority, for a number of reasons. However, Vergil isn't getting butt-hurt by my choice not play WH40K. It's not affected our friendship or the way we interact. (In truth, for the time we've known each other we've often not played remotely the same game.)

If you want to let something as petty as not playing the same game as you, when Vergil has seemingly made it clear that it's not you but the game he's choosing to not spend time with then, frankly, it's your problem.

I am fond of cheese.
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Re:MMO Discussion - 2006/04/25 15:52 Andreas, you totally missed my point.
For one, the comment I made that you quoted was in jest. Two, it was directed at your post, not anything Verg ever said. You were the one who went ahead and said that WoW is better, not that you think WoW is better. There's a difference between opinions and touting something as fact.

We are not pissed at all because Verg plays WoW. That, in fact, is not a concern for any of us. He is welcome to play whatever he wants. Sure, I'm a little miffed that the game he chooses to play isn't something that I'm interested in, but he's done that lots of times. His choice of game is not why I'm "quasi pissed/jealous/whatever".

And my comment about him refusing to do stuff is not just about Guild Wars. It's in regards to just about everything this year. You wonder why we stopped asking you to do stuff with us? It's because we know when to quit -- you've turned us down so many times, we stopped bothering to ask. Besides, when was the last time you invited us to do anything?

But all of this has gotten away from the MMO discussion.
You’re what keeps me believing this world’s not gone dead
Strength in my bones put the words in my head
When they pour out to paper, it's all for you.
'Cause that’s what you do.
That's what you do.
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Re:MMO Discussion - 2006/04/25 18:18 As someone who owns and has played both Guild Wars and WoW, I see merits and weaknesses of both.

Guild wars to me it simply a pretty game in the aspect of realism. I've found I dislike much of the designs for humans in WoW, they seem to characterized, and well... peasanty. Granted, overall WoW has a more cartoon-esqe feel to it, which is simply an attribute to its art style. In the case of Guild Wars, the level of realism in both the character designs and the landscapes leaves me amazed at times. The beauty of the Shiverpeak Mountains in the zones with heavy snow impresses me far more than anything I've seen in Dun Morough. I admit to being very much appreciative of the natural world to the point where there are some who've called me a 'tree-hugger', as such, the way some of the zones I've visited in Ascalon have been render so beautifully and true to life that they've actually had the ability to improve my mood on more than one occasion. As for the characters, I love the options one has in giving your character a unique build in addition to the options in hair color and face type. To see gorgeous box art and knowing that it is of the same quality of in-game graphics is a nice thing. ^^ Another nice bit was being able to click on a town on the map and transporting you there, very convenient

There were a few things however that I found frustrating, my three grievances if you will. Firstly the limited physics engine. To quote a memorable conversation with my roommate I asserted "Everything is impassible terrain!" to which she replied "I know! It's like keep off the f*cking grass!" There are so many times when I've go the wrong way from my party and find myself trapped by my inability to jump or stroll down a gentle slope. Secondly, while jazzed by the idea of cut scenes as parts of missions, I was distracted by the Royal Ventriloquists of Ascalon... I was dismayed by the lack of lip movement of the characters. Finally, for those of you who know me, I tend to be enterprising when if comes to items. The lack of a formal economy bummed me out as I tried in vain to sell items to other players.

Conversely if the devil is in the details, that would explain WoW's addictiveness. The sheer amount of stuff to do in WoW makes it seem that even if you can only get on for a few minutes, you can accomplish something, even if its just taking your pole and catching some fish. ^^ Also with WoW's physics engine I can jump and swim and fall from high levels, which are pretty cool for the adventurer keen on shortcuts. Despite my distinction of hanging about in the auction house trying to turn a profit, I've found myself sucked irreversibly into the world of PvP. O.O Having to fight to protect our lands against living, thinking, adversaries is a challenge I've begun to relish in. It provides me a reason to get my character up to a higher level to both compete against those at my level, and protect my allies. Random encounters with opponents in the field are something that sadly cannot happen in the PSO-esque Ascalon.

Will I ever go back to Guild Wars? It’s highly possible. Not every computer can run WoW, and I'm not always going to have the funding to play it. Its just that after working on one MMO (with a substantial monetary investment attached to it) when the time comes to play something else, chances are I will reach for an RTS or a consol game before loading up something that is so similar. In short, both are quality games, but at the moment I simply have to follow the ever-shouting voice of money, which is telling me to make good on the investment and go catch some fish.

Post edited by: Kitty, at: 2006/04/25 18:24

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