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Re:Why do we love (or hate) elves? - 2006/05/25 20:53 I did have a reply for this, but at the sametime I realized this is getting off track from the original topic of discussion. That and I think this is all coming down to personal opinion to which this'll just go in circles and we'd probably just ending up having to agree to disagree... or something like that. Then again, I might wrong. In anycase it's a discussion we could have more fun in in person then across a message board I think.

So! Back to elf discussion!
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Re:Why do we love (or hate) elves? - 2006/05/30 19:18 I hate elves. Except the ones that live on the Island of Bikini-clad Elf Girls. And Night Elf girls with small leather collars.
1. Elves make large use of magic. Khorne hates magic. I hate magic.
2. Elves constantly whine about the downfall of their race. Shut up and do something about it.
3. Elves are typically physically weak. This does not serve the Blood God.
4. Bunch of tree-hugging hippies.

I have challenged Adam's views on Daemons in a private setting. If anyone else wants to challenge our intelligence, please let me know.

Additionally, hello Sprink! How are you?

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Re:Why do we love (or hate) elves? - 2006/05/31 22:44 Along the lines of what Bharroth has stated, I hate elves because they are weak, and are usually designed to look frail. Not only are they designed to look frail, all the Elf architecture I've seen in all of the games I have played look absolutely stupid to me. No, I'm not a fan of a psuedo-japanese architecture the Elves have in World of Warcraft.

The only redeeming quality they have, for me, is that unlike Bharroth I think the whole "our race is fucked, yet again, we are working against the clock/an evil enemy of unspeakable power/ourselves or some shit" storyline is rather appealing. I suppose it's the will to root for the underdog in me.

As an example, in Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, you play some games as the Blood elves, where you have an opportunity to build Elven warriors and archers. I hated getting a unit killed, it just seemed more valuable to me.

Another unfortunate factor working against my liking of the Elves is the fact that a majority of the idiots and fools I've met playing World of Warcraft seem to infest my playing experience as Night Elves. This point alone is enough to justify the extermination of the race as a whole.

Sorry Tanadel. However, think of this as a chance to join the Master Race: The Gnomes

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Re:Why do we love (or hate) elves? - 2006/06/01 01:47 Bharroth wrote:
I hate elves. Except the ones that live on the Island of Bikini-clad Elf Girls. And Night Elf girls with small leather collars.
1. Elves make large use of magic. Khorne hates magic. I hatemagic.
2. Elves constantly whine about the downfall of their race. Shut up and do something about it.
3. Elves are typically physically weak. This does not serve the Blood God.
4. Bunch of tree-hugging hippies.

I have challenged Adam's views on Deamons in a private setting. If anyone else wants to challenge our intelligence, please let me know.

Additionally, hello Sprink! How are you?


I agree with many of these points. I find frail elves, like the Eldar and the Elves of D&D to be inferior to many races, like Humans in both cases. I find depressive "Oh, we are a dead race, why bother" attitudes, like that of the Iyandeen and Ulthwe craftworlds, lame. .

On the other hand though, I agree with Manchego when they take a more Biel-Tan approach of "We may be dying now, but this is but a downturn before we rise again!" Then I agree wholeheartedly with Manchego and think that arc of a story is cool.

I, frankly, do not have a problem with magic. I find it to be not as cool as doing the same feats through technology, but my love of technology does not nessesitate a hatred of magic like it does for some. However, I dislike nature worship on the grounds that it frequently hampers technological progress. In point of fact, with enough research and dedication, it IS possible to create advanced technologies that hardly, if at all, scar the worlds they are used on. Failure to accept this and to instead think of technology as unholy and turn to nature worship bothers the heck out of me, and is why I tend to dislike Wood Elves and their ilk.

These reasons are part of why I dig on Night Elves in WoW though. While the race as a whole is nature worshiping, Night Elf hunters and warriors can forsake this nature worship in exchange for bad-assed plate and/or mail in addition to sacrificing bows for firearms. They really do not look that frail, in fact they tower over the rest of the alliance (Until Dreanaei come out of course), and no frailty is expressed in their stats gameplay wise. And while underpopulated, the Night Elves are not cowering in their sorrow, but instead taking action in continuing to better their world and fight evil. This is a lot more than what can be said of most Elvish races in most settings.

Now the "lame players are playing them" angle I recognize and agree with. As much as I enjoy them, I have difficulties brining myself to play Warrior/Monks in Guild Wars because I've met sooooo many idiots using that class. I have also had my run-ins with idiot Night Elf players, though I would argue they are no more prevelant than idiot human players, in WoW at least. Still, if the astetic/backstory/character of the other races holds little to no appeal to me because I don't want to be a bearded drunk or a high-pitched-voiced-midget, I seek to be one of those "rare" good players amoung these disliked races... at least in WoW's case.

B'harroth also gives himself too much credit in his last post. Yes, there are clever and cunning demons out there... in some settings. I still do not think over-powered super-beings like greater demons, chaos gods, or Cuthulu will ever be as cool as far less powerful entities that can acomplish similar feats. It's the DBZ/Superman complex of "oh yeah, that was real hard for you, so yeah that was impressive." You can take your big-as-a-house demonic stature and keep it.

Oh, almost forgot. Manchego, if all Night elf characters in WoW on all servers were to be deleted sontaneously, I would sooner roll Human and/or Dwarf than I would a gnome. You can take your pint-sized "master race" and choak to death in Gnomergan After all, friends to let friends play gnomes.

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Re:Why do we love (or hate) elves? - 2006/06/05 00:03 Warning to be taken with some bit o jest!
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I have one thing to say on the matter....Elves suck Kaneish rules (or perhaps dwarves)


Meh to me Elves are that mystical thing that's better than a human intellectually but more frail. I do have to agree with bruB'harroth (sp?) on a few things which will very rarely occur, til probbably we live near each other, then god help everyone...

Eleves are whiney, it's always save the forest, or stop the maruaders. I mean take it from a villans point, it's always better to play an elf as a good guy rather than a bad guy. It just seems unnatural, they tend to have that shiny innocent clean look about them, when god knows they can be as or more manuliputave as a human. That and well it's always about the elves. I mean how often do we hear about the gnomes, or even the dwarfs. They're just as cool, and heck can even hold their liquor!

Second Elves puny. Tell me, when was the last time you saw a barbaric elf? They use their manuliputive words to be smart, rather than being a barbarious society like to the degree of most other societies
Case in point, humans create war, gnomes do what the dwarves tell them to do, dwarves drink each other down or beat each other down, same with orks. So that leaves the elves to talk fancy and insult each other. Which in this case reminds me explicitly of the family guy episode where they have drive by insults in england.

Third, the whole ego complex. I mean com'on they're usually shown as attractive or generally appeasing images where as we have fat old men, and short chubby dwarven women. It's as if the elves have this necessarry to be superiour...lazy bums!

So mostly, elves suck, but why people like'em is cause it's fantasy, it gives the human a chance to exploit those accents to the degree they want least in my humble opinion. So while the L2 Dark Elves are still kinky, and the High Elves still look like preppy pretty elves, DnD well it helps derive a lot of the ideas, same with Tolken. meh but mostly to each his own and to all a happy night?

Lastly, Elves still suck
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Re:Why do we love (or hate) elves? - 2006/06/09 02:57 Steinst2 raises some good points, most of which I will conseed to. However, I still have one thing I want to bring up: Why do people think Elves are weak/frail?

Dungeons & Dragons is the only setting that has Elves that I can think of that states that Elves are at all physically weaker than other races (with the -2 Stamina vs +2 Dexterity and all).

40K lore actually states that the physical potential of an Eldar exceeds that of a human (a not genetically re-engineered human of course) with many Craftworld Eldar achieving Strength 4 (example: Striking Scorpions) without the need of a geneseed. Sure they don't wear the thickest armor ever, but they still have better armor saves and/or vehicle armor than say, oh Tyranids, or Orks, or Imperial Gaurd.

In WoW, Night Elves suffer no Strength or Stamina penalty, though they still get a crafty dodge bonus. In fact, the only race that gets a physical advantage over the Night Elves are the Tauren, who can brag about a +10% HP over everyone.

Finally, I do not recall Tolkeen's books ever stating that Elves were ever weaker than their human or dwarven allies. Infact, according to LotR, Elves have an insane endurance, allowing them to run farther, see farther, and never freakin' sleep compared to dwarves and humans (even in the books Gimili complains about the pace Aragorn and Legolas take after the Urukai).

So at the end of the day are Elves the strongest things in most settings? No. But I don't see why failing to be the strongest or the toughest, while you are still clearly stronger or tougher than many things makes you weak. I will conceed that Elves are typically the arrogant, self righteous good-doers, and if that and/or their popencity to nature and/or magic is not your bag, that's cool, I respect and even agree with that. But I really can't accept the "weak/frail" argument. If someone wants to challenge this, please go ahead.
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